I had a relationship with someone, in our composite chart, we have a stellium in the 12th house Sun, Juno, Venus and Uranus. Juno is not only about romantic partnerships, but has to do with equality in general. P.S. Chiron In The 10th House #Capricorn #Chiron # - YouTube Thank you for this article. I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. There are two conjunctions with ascendent as well. @ more very amazing thing IF this is still not enough proof: My Moon and Mars conjucts his North Node (fairly tight 2-3 degrees conjuction) His NOrth Node conjucts His own Pluto (good old Pluto might just kill me with his north node conjuction (i wonder if that is the plan here?) this is a very arguementative aspect.it indicates that the two of you have vastly different opinions on most everything . The Chiron return often coincides. Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. Often, Sun/Neptune relationships just fade away or dissolve without anyone knowing why. Composite Sun in the 2nd House. Forget about where his planets fall in your houses and instead, put your natal chart around the chart of the composite, then do the same with his. (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) But I do have one question? My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but its not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. Composite - Chiron - Lindaland - Linda Goodman . RUN ? what can we do here? My sympathies. Sometimes the ego gets in the way of our path, whether through fear, resistance to growth, resistance to break old habits and personal tendencies, or through a lack of interest in what is wanted of us. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? If the fears arent dealt with (and the fears include loss of all kinds), it can get projected and the world itself can become the enemy. I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). thank you for your insight, thank you !!! I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesnt last any longer) or without him. Now we hate each other and nothing made sense. He also has 12th house stellium in his own natal chart in Scorpio. Haunting Usually, life will present us with huge dilemmas that cause us to choose between the ego and the soul path. Composite 12th house in Taurus= Issues with Stubborness. Its more complex than just the composite positions. I can honestly say that I love this man from the highest level of my being, but I dont feel we belong together in a committed relationship. These natives like the challenge of conquering a possible partner. You can have flashes of insight into subconscious topics, but they can also wreck a relationship. I am surprised I did not find it and comment earlier, as I am still haunted by the same relationship 2 years after it ended. It can also mean, in this case, unconscious elements making themselves known via the Ascendant in mysterious ways. Synastries (especially composite charts) are complicated and if confused (or you feel threatened) you should consult a professional. i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. We move from the personal world, giving up our individuality along the way, to become a plaything of the collective unconscious. While separated from his girlfriend and in the final stages of breaking it off with her, we had several secret liaisons- more 12th house. hello, nice article Dawn. My english is not very good. Composite Chiron can be strongest when in the composite 1st house or conjunct (aligned with) a composite planet (especially a personal planet - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars) or composite angle (1st, 4th, 7th, and 10th house cusps). Thats for start. Thank you. Transit Uranus in the Composite 12th House. (like your name too. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. We get along very well but our relationship is being kept in secret (which sucks) and the Saturn and Pluto opposite Asc. You dont want houses 6/8/12 in a composite for a reason= yes its really not good but the other reason this isn't good is because you have The Sun, Moon and Venus squaring neptune (AND neptune in the 12th house) so there is a VERY high level of delusion like "THIS IS MY SOULMATE" when in fact its your worst enemy who will betray/cheat/manipulate Is it possible that 2 people with so much 12th/water house activity; both within synastry and composite, there is any hope for them to just be normal and happy together without karma or something else getting in the way? I am a pisces sun, mercury, mars. Youre writing is inspired. I need all the help to understand I can get. Im sure your midpoint chart is valid if you had it read properly. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. Thank you for your insight. We challenge each other to be the best versions of ourselves. They rip the rug from under you every other day. When transit Saturn is in the composite 12th house, you may feel that old issues or subconscious issues in the relationship become more of a problem, and need to be worked on, understood, and moved on from. Jupiter Rx in the 7th in Leo. The composite Sun in the first suggests the couple has come together for strength. However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. Well it is a living hell right now! Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. Concentrate on intimacy and you should be all right. Thank You so much for Your answer! Your email address will not be published. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. Ive known couples who are married for long periods of time to have 12th house composites. great post- thank you! )~~~a reader with Sun in Neptune and Saturn and Mars both in 12th house. Therefore difficult aspects to composite Chiron need to be noted. At all. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. He told me that had never happened to him before (referring to how we couldnt control ourselves). It feels that we are very free together than alone. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. Sometimes walking around with him is just like being in a movie, which is funny because we ARE in a movie together- one he is making with his best friend. In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each others lives than ever. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. I'm going to be discussing the characteristics of Chiron in the 10th house in the birth chart.Follow me Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jaleel.darboIn. That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. More appreciative of that special melding? This compo Pisces Lilith in house 12 falls on the exact degree of my natal Waldemath H58 , and she also falls on his natal antivertex. I dont know if what we have count as a heavy 12th house but we have our north nodes in the 12th with vesta in virgo, and our south nodes in the 6th with the vertex in pisces. Our physical connection was addicting. I use both in my practice. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. Chiron in Capricorn, Chiron in the 12th House - Astrology Owl Chiron sextile or trine the Sun, Moon, . Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. Like me, two of my sisters have/had Chiron placements in Gemini. The feelings I have are much deeper than lust and infatuation. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. The doctors were able to revive her, but she suffered irreparable brain damage as a result. Im in hawaii for a month, after he broke up with me for the last time, trying to get my strength and sanity back and assure myself that you should not have to TRY so hard for things to work, when these 12th issues come up to work on. It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. I havent spoken to him in a couple of years and my heart is still broken. My 12 is in Leo, along with my Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man Im this connected to? We dont really grasp whats in the 12th until we spiritualize it, remove the ego from the planets function. Another spin given to the 12th house . It's easier when the house represents something solid, like the fourth house with its emphasis on home and family and roots, because there is something for the composite energy to hang itself on. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. cheers:). sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. Im kinda tired of dancing with men who enjoy attempting control and am tired of the endlessly unavailable creatures that keep crossing my path in life. The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. They often feel out of place and misunderstood. Pluto is elevated in the composite chart close to the midheaven in the 9th. Hi Daw And what does it mean our 12th. House position isnt as strong as the sign of the Moon. We are still friends and well always love each other. We could look at each other and read one anothers minds, but not in a way where you hear words or anything. Eventually, we learn that life is not as random as we thought, but full of purpose and meaning. Saturn and Pluto also play their part. You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. It isnt bad, its difficult. Chiron In 12th House Composite, Composite Chiron In Twelfth House Issues from the past can resurface in the partnership when Composite Chiron is in the 12th House. What you said about compo Sun/Neptune is very interesting Please I would like to know Dawn,according to you it is important to notice what this compo Sun/Neptune conjuncts in each individual charts, to determine more precisely how each person is going to feed this confusing Sun /Neptune by his/her personal points .? I could love this man more than my husband who is a caring man and in a way very similar to this man. Great gifts are possible if that Saturn is respectedthe power of manifesting energy into form. Chiron In 12th House, Chiron In Twelfth House Meaning, Chiron In 12th Loving and letting go, as well as maturing your love into a transcendant form of love where you are able to love so deeply that you give it the potential to annihilate you, yet you learn to let go and allow the natural changes in the state of our being has been a reoccurring theme of my life. Useful Chiron in 12th House Crystals Jasper Malachite Professional Readings 2023 Yearly 30 Minute Astrology Report Recent Articles Ceres Aspects Lilith Aspects Juno in Houses Ceres in Houses Lilith in Houses Astrological Events New Moon in Taurus Increasing pleasures May 19 2023 Jupiter in Taurus Productive Growth #2. i think venus in the 12th would be a weak position for a composite chart because it is a cadent house . Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. Telepathy, visiting one another out of body, lucid dreaming where they communicate with one another, strange psychic links and melding of the two energetic bodies. In composite we have north node in 12th. Similarly, the end of a relationship can be depicted by the composite twelfth house. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! Im sorry to hear your story. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. An ex-lover and I share composite Sun/Mercury in the 12th. Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. When there are clusters of planets there are no simple solutions. scares me a bit. This resonates with me. I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. Im trying to figure it out. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. Transit Jupiter in the Composite 12th House. I noticed you dont offer composite readings. And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! Weve known each other for a decade??? Should I pay attention to that or to our individual charts? What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. Im so confused by this mix! They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. Very exquisitely put. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. This is the empty space, the place where we are not like others, the place where the pieces dont fit. (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). venus all in the 12th house. You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. I wouldnt say that one is more important than another. Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. Thank you for this piece it is prompting reflection. However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. The midpoint composite points out the places where the planets in the two charts manifest. A heavily posited first house suggests a powerful and active relationship. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. So sad! I've been hearing it's some kind of unrequited love for the venus person's part, but . I felt like someone kicked me out of my home. And I dont think you can fully understand Pisces without understanding its relation to Jupiter as well as Neptune. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. etc. I do all these within a synastry consulation. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. I have chiron in the 7th house Gemini natally. I have read at least books regarding the 12th house, and its not easy to comprehend the needs of the 12th. Whatever the motive, we know we are facing some sort of extremeand a choice. We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). The Composite Chart: Relationship Astrology Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. The 12th house in astrology is the hardest part of your chart to get to know. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. How ironic! The attraction was instant. I had to spend years unlearning what love is to me and settle with how individuals differ in what we value in a relationship. The Uranus/Mercury conjunction in the composite can make the relationship more mental than physical. We have a Sun, Venus, Ceres, Node, Lilith and Fortune in 12th house. We are ignoring what the Source is asking us to do. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. Transit Mercury in the Composite 12th House. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. This is brilliant and compassionate. Thank You so much for Your answer! Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. Transit Neptune in the Composite 12th House. Aghh! Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. And I learned a lot too. You explain the ineffable. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. The 12th house in astrology is the hardest part of your chart to get to know. We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) The 8th House: A Good Death? - Chirotic Journal Sense of self and feeling of completeness comes from your identification with the Divine. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. thanks Dawn! I found so many answers and maybe some dissapointments as well :/. Beautiful article!! The composite chart only reveals so muchcomparing natal charts tells us about the day to day of the people involved, their reactions to one another, their attractions, etc. we have stellium-sun, venus, mercury in 12th house-composit chart(aries), mars in 11th house, moon in 6th, uran retrograde and pluto retrograte in 5th, jupiter retrograde and neptun retrograde in 7th house, south node conjuct regulus in 4th hause, vertex conjuct DC, saturn in 1th house. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. Ive seen couples with a heavy 12th house influence utterly befuddled and bedazzled by their lives (which dont go the way their friends lives go). Whatever I told you would not have a context. You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. I and my boyfriend have conjunction of mars-venus in twelfth house (taurus) closely conjuncting composite gemini ascendant. The goal is to look at both your Chiron in the signs and Chiron in the houses together. But also to wound each other? This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance. Chiron in composite? | Astrologers' Community The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? Your emotions may also be cloudy and unclear at times, and your lack of boundaries may cause you trouble. It isnt that theyre unhappyno, they seem to go more the extreme of bliss altering with despair. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. I know he is devoted to his son more maybe than to his wife but he cares about him as well because he is a very nice man. Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. Doing stuff without thinking clearly. This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change. We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met.

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